the problem is, personally, my opinion is, i don't like using children in political ads of any kind. i think consistently speaking, i also don't like the president when he uses children to sign a bill, obama care uses children as props, he used them when he did the executive orders about gun control. so those types of things on both sides to me i just have a problem with. children are innocent people in this world and they don't need to be political pawns. this is about a much bigger issue and i think we need to leave the children out of it. >> john avlon, even if you agree the only thing to me that then seems problematic about that ad with the nra is, look, the president's children do have protection. they're the children of the president of the united states. and i think it is fair to assume that in many ways those children are at higher risk than other children in this country. they are targets of kidnapping and other things. there's a reason they have that security. >> absolutely. i mean, that's why the ad doesn't pass the common sense test, there's a fundamental difference that